Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evening)?

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Unread postby Mike » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:30 pm

It is rare for me to drink bourbon from a single bottle anymore. For reasons not altogether clear to me, I have taken to vatting bourbons based upon what I think my palate desires that evening. One of my goto bourbons in this vatting business is Maker's Mark Cask Strength. On their own (my opinion) every Maker's Mark bourbon has a serious flaw in that they have a very poor finish. For many bourbon drinkers that is not a problem, and this is especially true for new drinkers. or for bourbon lovers who prefer a soft bourbon. Maker's bourbons use a corn/wheat recipe which tends to produce a softer whiskey........ and they are quite young at about 4 years in the barrel.

Howsomever, in my judgement, the Cask Maker's is well suited for tempering the effects of a bourbon that has been in the barrel too long, or has the slightly acrid taste of a copper pot distilled bourbon. It has enough alcohol so that with an ultra aged bourbon it can hold the proof AND a bit of das wasser such with only slight meddling a bourbon shaped to my palate can be achieved without too much fuss.

Tonight's vatting utilizes one of the Woodford Reserve Master's Collection (Maple Wood Finish) at 94.4 proof in the amount of 40 ml with 10 mil of Maker's Cask Strength. This produces a bourbon of 97.8 proof which is then cut to about 95 proof with the addition of a mere few drops of das wasser.

A quick aside - I think the Master Distiller at Brown Foreman, Chris Morris, is an exceptional whiskey maker. Many of his efforts have not, in my opinion, been appreciated for the unique qualities they bring to the bourbon scene. His Master's Collection was not, to my knowledge, all that well received. Yet, I liked them all because they brought something to the bourbon table that no one else (in my experience) brought.......... that slightly acrid cast of the copper pot and various recipes and barrel finishes. At a recent bourbon tasting I was introduced to Old Forester 1897 and found it to be an excellent bourbon......... another bourbon from Chris Morris and Brown Foreman (Bottled in Bond) that on that evening was clearly the best of the bourbons offered. I will soon write a review of this bourbon when it is not in competition with some inferiors.

The MM softens the WRMC but does nothing to the dry finish. This vatting makes for a very nice sip with lots of flavors well beyond sweetness, a sharp bite, or the tang of copper.

I suppose that in my defense, I might say that I have no interest in any single bourbon, great though it might be, so much as a bourbon that I can shape to suit my palate for that evening. No one who does not eat the same food, much as they may like it, day after day should find this in the least unusual.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Squire » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:46 pm

Long been a fan of vatting myself.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Bourbon Joe » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:21 am

Speaking of vattings, last night I had a pour of Ron's Four Grain. It is an equal mixture of Stagg, Evan Williams 1783 (10 y/o) and Maker's Mark. This vatting is 106 proof and always hits the spot for me. It has been in many of our tastings and rarely loses top spot. The ingredients are getting harder to find, unfortunately. It was shared in Bardstown a couple of times and most people that have had it, like it.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Mike » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:19 am

Bourbon Joe wrote:Speaking of vattings, last night I had a pour of Ron's Four Grain. It is an equal mixture of Stagg, Evan Williams 1783 (10 y/o) and Maker's Mark. This vatting is 106 proof and always hits the spot for me. It has been in many of our tastings and rarely loses top spot. The ingredients are getting harder to find, unfortunately. It was shared in Bardstown a couple of times and most people that have had it, like it.


I remember this one, Joe. It is indeed a great one.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby gillmang » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:36 pm

For Mike of Georgia and Bourbon Joe: http://www.beeretseq.com/a-maven-of-int ... -blending/

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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Bourbon Joe » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:38 am

Thanks for the link Gary.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Mike » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:08 pm

gillmang wrote:For Mike of Georgia and Bourbon Joe: http://www.beeretseq.com/a-maven-of-int ... -blending/

Gary


Excellent, Gary, Thanks!
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby fozzy71 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:10 pm

Stagg Jr, 4RSiB, OGD114:BT vatting, and Now JDSBBP
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Squire » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:09 am

Welcome aboard fozzy.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby fozzy71 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:21 pm

Squire wrote:Welcome aboard fozzy.


been here for a while but this I think is the first post I made that was actually approved....

stagg jr, ogd114:bt, and 4rsib so far tonight
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Squire » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:34 pm

Sorry about that fozzy, sometimes new posters get swept up in the spam but you shouldn't have any more problems.
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Unread postby fozzy71 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:51 pm

Squire wrote:Sorry about that fozzy, sometimes new posters get swept up in the spam but you shouldn't have any more problems.


no worries, I know all too well as I do admin/moderation tasks for my day job.
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby RandyG » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:41 pm

Well, bought my 2nd (or 3rd?) bottle of the new 112 Rare Breed and I still find myself wishing for more. I have now come to the realization that my beloved 108 is gone forever.

Thankfully there are still many really good whiskeys out there.

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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby fenderbender4 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:32 pm

RandyG wrote:Well, bought my 2nd (or 3rd?) bottle of the new 112 Rare Breed and I still find myself wishing for more. I have now come to the realization that my beloved 108 is gone forever.

Thankfully there are still many really good whiskeys out there.

Cheers,
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Did you like the 108 better than the 112? I saw a couple bottles of 108 on the shelf but wasn't sure. Out of the WT products I've tried, I liked Rare Breed the most (beating Russell's Small Batch Single Barrel and Kentucky Spirit). I only have had the 112.8 proof batch though.

Tonight:
ECBP (batch 139.4)
EC12
Non-bourbon Akashi White Oak
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Re: Well, y'all, what you be drinking 'sevening (this evenin

Unread postby Mike » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:47 pm

I have found Maker's Mark 46, or MM Cask Strength, to be essentials in my liquor cabinet. Each has serious weaknesses, but in terms of vatting, great strengths. I am drinking MM 46 (tannins to offset the sweetness, but still a poor finish), at 2/3 and Woodford Reserve Double Oaked at 1/3 to make the finish. Superb! No wayward elements, a long finish, along with what I would call the control of the subtlety that is the strength of age, or the benefit of extra oak.

As usual, I am off on a tangent. Take it for what it might be worth to you.
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