My Days at Kinsey Distillery

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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:25 pm

Peanut Lolita is great on the rocks or in a special Drink the company made up called a EdinBurgh Express which was 1 1/2 oz of Good Scotch and 1 oz of Peanut Lolita! Peanut Lolita was made with Only Straight Bourbon and I suspect they used Old Hickory as the Bourbon hits you the minute it hits your mouth!

Also we had a drink called a Plainsville Cocktail which was 2 oz of peanut Liqour 1/2 oz fresh Lime Juice on Ice stired.
They put these on the Back label of every Bottle.

I have found that if you mix a little Peanut with Rye whiskey it is amazing like a Peanut Butter and Rye bread liqiud Whiskey!
It was 53 proof and I wish someone would try to make it again. I spoke one time to a man who was very High Up in the company and He told Me Joc Leroux made all their Liqour formuals back in those days.
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:12 pm

I just got off the Phone from Talking to Jacob G Kinseys great Nephew Al Landis who will be 91 yrs old on Nov 7th. As I always do I try to get as much from our talks as I can today I asked about What happened that Mr Kinsey went Bankrup in 1939.
He started by telling me about how is Father Hoarce Landis who was the master Distiller at Kinsey from fall 1933 till spring 1951 started there when Mr Kinsey reopened at age 75..

It seems that Mr Kinsey came to visit in 1933 and told Hoarce you are going to be my Master Distiller and Mr Kinsey showed him how. Hoarce said Pop your 75 yrs old He told Him don't worry about that I'm going to live to be One Hundred and He did end up living to be 94 yrs old. Jacob G Kinsey was born in 1858 in Salford Pa. Another thing he told me was that Mr Kinsey always kept a Pint of Good Rye in His office and every single day had a shot 1 OZ for his health as He told him son there are lots of Vitamins and things good for your Health with a shot of Good Rye Whiskey every day!.

Al when I asked him what happen that Mr Kinsey went Bankrup stated that after Prohibition ended everyone was getting into Blended Whiskey and it was cheap to buy by the bottle and make and Mr Kinsey was a firm believer that the Only Good Whiskey was Straight Rye Whiskey and he Kept on making lots of mostly Rye but his prices could not compete with the Blended whiskeys to the point he went Bankrup.

Al also Told me back in the days Kinsey ran the plant after Prohibition ended He would get a load of New Whiskey Barrels every day from NY. The guy would spend 4 to 5 Hours bringing them and 4 to 5 Hrs going home every day in an Old truck

When Mr Kinsey Lost the Plant He moved back to His Home in Parkside section of Phila and lived there till he died at 91. Right before I hung up Al again said Pop ( mr Kinsey ) always said the Best Whiskey is straight Rye it is way Better then anything else and He did Like many Blended Whiskeys


One strange note sometimes things true in Life are stranger then Fiction
1. Jacob G Kinsey Lived to be 94 years Old
2. Kinsey Distillery closed forever in 1986 94 years after Mr Kinsey Founded it in 1892
3 And Finally Publicker which went on in a small way as Publicard after 1999 closed off the stock market in late 2007 94 yrs after Mr Harry Publicker founded it in 1913
must be something about 94!
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby EllenJ » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:26 pm

Kinsey Worker,

Wow Dave, I'm totally awe-struck by all you've contributed through this thread. In our own website, we enjoy visiting and touching -- sometimes lightly, sometimes with a little more depth -- on the remains of once-proud old distilleries. Like our earlier visits to current tourist-oriented sites, though, we can only take a few photos and speculate on what it was like here "in the day".

But many of the old plants have folks who worked every day there, and shot dice, fed fish, played baseball, stole a kiss, got their first (or last) paychecks there, and whose stories bring them back to life. O-M-G, THANK YOU for so thoroughly sharing your experiences and views with us. I'm toasting you right now with a (tiny) sip of Haller's County Fair Bourbon, made in 1948 and bottled in 1953 by North American Warehousing Co., Linfield, Penna. Bonded Warehouse #40. We're expecting to be visiting family in Schwenksville around Christmas and if we get the chance we'd love to get together and share a taste with you.

Although I've learned a lot from reading your posts, I think I'll leave the website questions unanswered, except for a suggestion that readers check here for more info. I haven't asked Chris or Mark yet, but maybe I could put a direct link on our page. The folks who read our site would LOVE to see what you've done here.

According to the 1910 Philadelphia city directory the A. H. Myer Company's brands at that time included "Kinsey" and "Kinsey Special". From what you've said I get the impression that the Kinsey blended whiskey dates from after Jake's bankruptcy in 1939, so I'm guessing those pre-Prohibition Kinsey brands were straight rye (the Only Good Whiskey).
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby gillmang » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:56 pm

John, I am sure you would enjoy meeting Dave and vice versa. Both of you have unique perspectives on the history of bourbon and rye and their palate.

Dave: I wonder if that peanut liqueur cocktail was kind of a take-off on Jimmy Carter's time in office. Carter had raised peanuts as a farmer, and lived in Plains (I believe it was) Georgia. So "Plainsville" might be a sly reference to him and his background in peanut agriculture.

By the way, I thought you rye specialists would be interested that I am currently sampling some Jacquin's Rock and Rye. For once I am drinking it straight, not mixing it with rye whiskey or something else as I usually do. What an interesting drink! It's got this weird but wonderful, flowery-fruity taste that is so unique. People buy fancy drinks from all over the globe and right here in the good old U.S.A. there is this exotic-tasting cocktail straight out of 1880 Baltimore. It tastes like the whiskey element is quite young, I get no toasty or red layer flavours. This should give Todd comfort, that he can create a great blend 1885 Jos. Fleischman-style using younger rye whiskeys.

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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:33 pm

John Thank you for the Kind words I am honored, and I am so glad to be able to talk to you! I sent you an e mail a long, long time ago and it must have gotten lost! I only Live about 4 miles at most from where you are visiting and hope we can meet! I may even see if I can give you a little of my Peanut Lolita! I am off during Christmas from the day before Christmas through the last day of the year.

It was your sites that got me going to get all the information out I remembered and stuff from my old Distillery friends like Ludy! And It is the love of Good Old Kinsey that keeps me going. I bet that Hallers is a great pour I have about half a bottle of County Fair BIB that was distilled in 1946 a yr before I was born and bottled in 1950. My Dad worked there then and may have loaded the Barrels to go to Phila as they bottled at Bigler Street then!

I hope to put many more neat pictures and Letter Head I have of Kinsey stuff in the near future and hope to keep in touch with you. I offten go to your wonderful web sites to remember the old days! What year did you walk through the Plant I did not get in there till 2004 or 05.

Gary I agree about the Jaquins Rock and Rye It is a fun thing to drink and better then any I have had in many a year. We used to supply Jaquins with whiskey back in the day and did many Liqour bottling for them when they had big orders. I feel very Honored at the Kind things you have said and John if I get to meet you I will have a sheet of original BIB tax strips to give you from my ones I saved from the plant. I have been a little nuts at times going in there by myself but with my trusty Cell phne now and knowing the guys that watch the place i do not have to worry. I also will give you a Publicker Industrial Broshure to if we meet up. I live in Limerick about 3 miles from Kinsey. So when you come this way let me know and I will get in touch with you somehow! I would be Honored to talk to you. Gary I have a felling you hit the jackpot on the Plainsville Cocktail I bet it was named that for that reason.

I really got a kick out of Al Landis telling me about Mr Kinsey having one shot every morning for his health and when you think he was born in 1858 he had to be very healthy to live into the early 1950's. Anything you want to know that I can help about Publicker just let me know and if I can find out I will. I still hope to meet my friend who was way up in the company I wish I could say who He is but I promised him I would not put his name out but I sure hope he is ok. I am worried about him as he would be in his early 80's I think.

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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:45 am

This morning I want to post some pictures I got late last Nov around Thanksgiving inside the 1966 Continental Distilling Bottle House.
Here are pictures from Last Thanksgiving inside the 1966 Bottling house. I went in with just 3 flashlights and my digital camera and I also had spare batterys as there are no windows and if you did not know your way around you could walk around for hours trying to get out! It was wet very dirty and some dusty spots.

I totally enjoyed saving history this way and I hope to get my friends to let me back in some time for better shots. I also have more of this bunch to post soon.
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Old Philip Singer Bottling machine sits on dock of the 1966 bottle house as the weeds work there way there. Ludy may haveworked on this old machine many times!
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Looking down through the Bottle house in total darkness this shot turned out very good
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An old left behind bottling machine at the start of one of the lines
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Medicines in the old Nurses station in the bottle house. It had its own nurse and we had one in the plant
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Bulk head in first wall where one of 11 Bottle lines started Nov 2008
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Tanks at the far side of the spirits incoming area of the plant tese pictures were taken in complete darkness
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The Doorway to the Old Lab in the bottle house which is 2 foot ball fields long. I went in there in total darkness by myself with 3 good flashlights and spare batteries Nov 2008
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:18 pm

Just a couple of notes...I talked to my engineer Friend John today about the Black coating covers on the Bottle House incoming tanks. I told him exactly what I saw, when I looked at them this summer and I asked why this cover was only used on the Incoming Tanks at the end of the 1966 Bottling House. His best guess was the following...not knowing the exact process.

Here is what I saw when I looked at the covers: The covers were black on the outside and were made of Rubberized Asphalt Pitch. I told him the Inside was a sort of Yellow/Red and flexable and here is how they worked and what they were used for, as he speculates.

John said, the outside coating was made of a combination of Asphalt Pitch and rubber coating, which protected the fiberos insulation that was located on the inner portion of the pitch, from UV degridation.

The Coatings Purpose apeared to be, to maintain a more stable Liquid temporature for the Whiskey and to Minimize the Generation of Condensation, which could Dilute or contaminate the Process batch of Whiskey in the tanks.

This would better control the Process Quality throughout external outside temperature variations, ie: summer , winter temperature extrems and other weather related issues.

Pictures of these tanks and coverings can be found on page 4 of this thread.

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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:33 am

Sunday 2 weeks ago, I got The sign that was originally hanging on DSP-Pa-12, back from Fricky. It had been covered with rubble when the still was knocked down and I found it in 2006. I slowly removed the rubble, got it out, and turned it so water would not lay on it.

On Nov 2008, My friends that watch the place brought it out on their Loader and trimed the bad ends off it. Then Fricky took it with our Barrels to try and stop the lettering from falling off because of the old paint. Well, He sprayed it with Laqer then brushed it with Laqer and now it is dry and saved for History. We could not get the middle to snap back where it had broke but the lettering is sealed on.

Also, I am posting a picture of a Bill of Sale from Continentals Pa. Marcus Hoop Cooperage Plant for 19,000 Barrels staves to a KY Company. The far side of the bill is chopped off as to wide for the scaner, but you can read the important stuff on it. The Bill of sale says 19,000 Barrel Staves sold to Bourbon Cooperage Company of Lebanon Kentucky, Aug 31 1977.

Does this Company still Exist? :scratch:


Continental was on great terms with Many Distillers in Ky, in those days of Old. I have alot more Letter Head, I have saved, from the plant and will be looking through and posting lots of it in the future.

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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:50 am

It took me many years and long 1 1/2 miles walks but I finally this year finished my project of saving Explosion proof Switches and Pilot lights from Kinsey! I now have 17 sets of different ones 11 sets at work and 6 at home. Here are a couple of pictures of the sets which were wired by my Electrician friend Paul at work. He told me it was really cool making them up. They are all from the 1940's and He said the two round lever ones are from the late 1930's.

It was hard work carrying tools and removing them from the stair wells and front first floor electric panels. The hardest one was the big silver box with the big lever it weighs about 10 pounds it was in O building at the tank area mounted on the Elevator wall.
I carried it out in an Aldi bag. Then I put them together making each a little different from the other and Paul wired them for me. Some of them have original light bulbs in the Pilot lights!

I have many fond memories of these switches as the first thing you saw when you walked in the warehouses were these switches and the pilot lights glowing then the air above filled with Blue Whiskey Vapors it looked cool and smelled great! I was amazed the first time I saw the switches and electric Headers and all the vapors in the air it was like being in a Whiskey Vaporiser.

When I started this work I decided I was going to preserve as many different things that i could for the History of Kinsey / Continental Distilling and Publicker. I wanted to cover as many things as I could.



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Here is the area where I got the big switch in O building which was the Government Building. It was mounted on the elevator wall behind this tank platform.
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Here is the far side of my desk with old model cars I made when I worked at Kinsey with the Barrel stave with a bung that Fricky made for me with my years of service and pictures of my favorite English actress on the sides of it. Note far right is the wind up clock from my 1952 Chevy Belair Hard top it was my spare one and I kept it all these yrs a friend at work made the case for it and it runs great a wind up of course
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5 sets of Explosion proof switches on my desk with pictures of the plant behind them. Everyone in the office likes them! Note the third switch from the left side it is one of two I have there that my Friend said were from the 1930's
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another shot of the switches on the side table all from the 1940's saved for history
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3 sets of Switches on the side table in my office note the Big one it weighs about 10 pounds it was hard carrying it all the way out of there Paul wired it with heavy wire as it would have been when it ran motors in O Building at the tank area
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby gillmang » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:32 am

I am curious whether anyone knows if such switches, designed and built as these were, are still made. If not, what has replaced them?

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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:16 pm

Gary from what I know they still make them but they are mostly made of Alumium alloy now instead of heavy cast as these are. Also go on E Bay and type in auction # 390075232573 and you will see an old used Appleton switch just like one of my Bigger ones for sale in used condition for $149.00. They from what Paul the plant electrician told me when making my stuff up are very costly but are still a must for areas that could explode.When I took a tour of Phila Brewing I saw some in the grain incoming room. A new one might cost $200. to $300. or more for one like my big lever one which even has cooper coated bolts to avoid static!.

One of the places they are used very much is at Grain processing plants as the stuff can explode very quickly. The newer ones are smaller but do the same job. We have some here in our Chemical explosive area part of the plant where I work.

I have looked before on E Bay under Explosion proof switches and offten see lots of real old but in good shape ones for sale even from the 1940's as these are. They were so heavy and well machined that they do not need a gasket on the plate that holds the switch! Crouse Hinds and Appleton were the biggest makers and they were then any way only made in USA.
They were built almost completly unbreakable with a replaceable switch inside them on the smaller ones that took a common flip switch inside the others were made to easy replace the switch also!

Publicker always bought from those two makers as theirs were the very Best and safest!

I am sure mine would work great in explosion proof area's even today!
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:47 pm

Here are a couple of Pictures from Jan 15 2007 Taken in total darkness by me inside the Big 1966 Bottling house which is 2 foot ball fields long. I went in there with just 3 flashlights and my Digital Camera it was cold damp and dirty and I have many more shots I will post soon. Picture 3 shows a Large tank platform just on the side of the first bulkhead wall where the lines started. 500 People worked in the bottle House on two shifts till 1979.
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inside the Continental Dist Bottle house Jan 15 07
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:02 pm

Well Today Fricky picked up a piece of glass cut like the one he put on his barrel top for mine. It makes the lettering jump out and protects it and lets me use it as a table for my Beer and Whiskey! I took some shots with my Old Hickory 86 proof 10 yr Ludy gave me about 2/3 full and my 4/5 Pint of Kinsey Silver Blended that is about 1/2 full that Ludy also gave me.
The Kinsey Bottle sits on an original 1930's Kinsey coaster and I also took a shot of just the top and one with two empty Rittenhouse Rye bottles that were from the 1930's.

This final touch just makes this such a special thing for me as it as I have said before. it is dated 3-23-1971 the last year I worked there and I may have filled it racked it or rolled it! It is the most awesome piece of my Collection and I can't thank Fricky enough for all the work he put in mine and his barrel and for the guys that watch the place letting me pick the best two out for us and hauling them to their house for Fricky to pickup and take home to work on Last Nov 2008!
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Old Empty Rittenhouse Rye bottles from the 1930's from my collection on top
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Old hickory Bottle and two Kinsey coastters from the 1930's and an old Old Hickory Bourbon Pocket Calender
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Old Hickory and Kinsey on top
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Kinsey Worker » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:17 pm

Well Thanks to your Tip Jeff I now have a very rare Patrician Straight Bourbon Bottle from 1934. I have talked a few times about the begining of Continental Distilling and this was one of their very first brands of Whiskey.

It started in fall 1933 when Si Neuman and His Father Inlaw Harry Publicker decided to create Continental Distilling Corp as a fullly owned subidiary of Publicker Industries. Continental would distill and bottle Spirits of every type, Publicker would Distill Industrial Alcohols and solvents!
They sat and decided what the names of their Whiskey's and spirits would be and which brands available to purchase would be big sellers and got the copyrights for those names. And one of the first Trade names they bought was Old Hickory!
They went on to come up with Philadelphia names of famous places such as
1. Cobbs Creek Whiskey
2. Philadephia Blended Whiskey
3.Neshaminy Rye
4. Old Schcuylkill Choice rye
5. Rittenhouse Square Rye Later Just "Rittenhouse rye"
and many More but the very first Brands were "Patrician Bourbon", "Sweep Stakes Bourbon" and Blended Whiskey, "Keystone State Straight Rye" and "Ollethrope Club". And many others I have yet to find or Know. They had from what I have heard at least 150 brands and there most Likely are many more!
From that day in 1933 Mr Si Neuman took Publicker Ind / Continental Distilling and Kinsey Corp and made them into a company that had 5,000 Employees and also a Fortune 500 Company. When He died in 1976 at Penn Hospital suddenly the company was never the same.
All the Inovation was gone and the new Idea's to and like a ship the company just went down.

By late 1979 3 years after Mr Neuman died they left the Spirits Bussiness and by 1986 they left the Industrial Distilling bussiness and never came back. Publicker Ind was founded By Harry Publicker in 1913
In fall of 2007 with the new name " Publicard" the last part of the company Had left the stock market and died after 94 years just as Jacob G Kinsey Died at 94 years old and Kinsey closed its doors after 94 years 1892 to 1986.

If you look at the Front Label of the bottle under the Continental Coat of Arms Original Logo is a ribbon on that ribbon if it could be put would be the 3 words starting with
Purity - Quality - Skill. I have a old Continental Distilling math pack from the 1930's and on it is the Coat of Arms with those word from left to right!



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Front of Bottle this brand one one of the very first to be made and bottled by Continental Distilling
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Re: My Days at Kinsey Distillery

Unread postby Leopold » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:15 pm

I can't get enough of this , Kinseyworker.

This is just priceless stuff. Thank you for sharing this.
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