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Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:11 pm
by EllenJ
I received a message the other day from a new member, Mike Maguire, asking about a brand of bourbon he'd heard of (I'm guessing from the spelling that he hasn't actually seen a label).

Mike's message was not particularly private, and I felt the question might be of interest to others here. So I asked him if he minded my copying it to the public discussion areas and answering there so that we can share with the other members. He said that would be fine, so here it is.
Mike Maguire wrote:From: Mike Maguire
To: EllenJ
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:28 pm
...[E]ver heard of a bourbon named OLD RIPPY, probably in either Baltimore or Long Island areas?

"Old Ripy Bourbon" (only one "p", but pronounced "rippy") was not a Baltimore brand. Nor was it from Long Island, although in a roundabout way there could be a distant relationship there. Old Ripy is considered one of Kentucky's premier pre-prohibition brands of bourbon. It was produced beginning around 1868 at the T.B. Ripy Distillery, and at the Anderson County Distillery, built 13 years later, both of them located in Anderson County, Kentucky, and operated by the ubiquitous Ripy family. The Ripys were involved in several distilleries before Prohibition, including one, Old Hickory Springs, that was rebuilt afterward and opened around 1935 as the Ripy Bros. Distillery, making bourbon by that name and also under contract for other merchants. Without making any statements that I'd have to back up, let's just say I have a strong suspicion that the Ripys managed not to lose their talents during 14 years of The Great Experiment and the quality of Ripy Bros was quite reminiscent of how it was before the Volstead Act.

Meanwhile, in far away New York City there was a very successful wholesale grocery firm by the name of Austin, Nichols & Company that had also been around since the late 1800s. To whatever extent they handled wines and spirits, that part of the business ended in 1920, but was again available after Repeal. Not only available, but lucrative. So much so that, by 1938 Austin, Nichols & Co. had closed down most of its other product lines and concentrated its attention on fine wines and liquor. They contracted with distillers who sold them product bearing the Austin, Nichols label, and among those was the Ripy Bros. According to legend, in 1940 an executive with the firm, Thomas McCarthy, got the idea to further designate their bourbon whiskey as "Wild Turkey", in order to capitalize on its popularity among his fellow turkey hunters -- perhaps out on Long Island (I've heard South Carolina, but that may have been substituted because it seems more "Southern"-sounding; the company was located in Brooklyn). The actual whiskey in a bottle of Wild Turkey was not specific to any one distillery, nor did Austin, Nichols have their whiskey custom-made to a proprietary formula. Over the years, however, they came to be more and more pleased with the flavor and quality of the Ripy Bros' bourbon, and by 1971 that was the only distillery they were using. In that year they purchased it outright. Along with it came its master distiller, Jimmy Russell, who had been making bourbon there since the early 1950s. Some of it had been labeled Ripy Bros. Bourbon, some labeled Wild Turkey (and a few other contract brands), but it was all Jimmy's bourbon, the only kind they make there.

It still is, even though the distillery, along with the rest of Austin, Nichols, was sold in 1980 to Pernod Ricard. Times change, of course, and so do manufacturing processes and marketing requirements. And we've never had the luck to get our hands on a bottle of Ripy Bros. (let alone a pre-pro Old Ripy). But we've certainly drunk our share of bourbons made before the '70s and '80s, and of all of them, Wild Turkey has maintained its profile the closest over the years. That's about as near to "Old Rippy" as you're likely to find these days. But we'll keep an eye out.

Re: Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:13 pm
by cowdery
Presuming you'll accept an answer from me, though I'm neither John nor Mike.

Some member of the Ripy family was involved at some time or another in just about every distillery in Anderson County, including the one that is today known as Four Roses and which was, for a time, known as JTS Brown, the last proprietor of which was Creel Brown, Jr., a grandson of John Thompson Street who, I believe, is still living. They probably had other brands, they almost certainly did, but I can't name any of them.

This has no connection of which I am aware with the Austin, Nichols relationship with the Ripys, which led to what is now the Wild Turkey Distillery, which is on the other side of Lawrenceburg from Four Roses. The other Anderson County distillery that had a lot of Ripy involvement was the one known as Old Commonwealth or Hoffman, which was last used as a warehouse facility and bottling plant for the Van Winkle line.

I'm not sure if that's actually responsive to your question, but those are three distinct plants, several miles from each other, that never had common ownership of which I am aware, but there were men with the surname of Ripy involved in all of them.

Re: Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:53 pm
by barturtle
From the UK website

Tyrone is an eastern Anderson county village along the Kentucky River about three miles from Lawrenceburg. The site was first known as Streamville. In 1869 James Ripy built a distillery which he named Tyrone for his home county in Ireland. A post office opened as Coke (named for its postmaster) in 1882, but it was renamed Tyrone in 1893. In 1888 the Southern Railway built Young's High Bridge over the Kentucky at Tyrone.

The population of Tyrone reached nearly 1,000 before Prohibition closed the distillery. The distillery later reopened (it is now owned by Austin-Nichols, the makers of Wild Turkey), but the town never recovered.

Cecils lists the Boulevard Distillery as first having the name Ripy Bros. Distillery in 1888 (p. 51)

Re: Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:10 pm
by bourbonv
Wild Turkey was also a J T S Brown distillery for a while. I think that it may have been the one owned by J T S Brown when Creel Brown wrote to Taylor Hay in the 1940's about selling a bunch of whiskey to Austin-Nichols Co. It was either at Tyrone or the one they operated for a while in Nelson County.

Re: Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:08 am
by cowdery
I never thought the plant now known as Wild Turkey was ever owned by anyone but the Ripys until Austin, Nichols bought it, but I'm ready to learn. There is a lot of ownership overlap in the history of most Kentucky distilleries and that seems to have been particularly true in Anderson County.

Re: Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:44 am
by Wallwin
I've never heard of 'Old Ripy' before. I have a bottle of 'Old Rip Van Winkle' are they the same? I've Googled it but I can't find any info or where to buy 'Old Ripy'. Is it still being made?

Re: Old Rippy Bourbon

Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:15 pm
by Bourbon Joe
They are NOT the same. The Old Ripy is much older (and probably much better IMO)